Mammamel
05-09-2007, 03:59 PM
Why I do not allow the Pearl's of No Greater Joy ministries to be studied here.
One on the last PH (the one that crashed) Posted a list of statements. I have answered those, removing personal data so this person is not identified.
These are just the tip of the ice berg of my issues with Michael and Debi Pearl and their teachings.
Eventually there will be a study in the BW room of their teachings, but we have a study going on now and wish to finish it first.
So on to the Q& A
1) Good and bad doctrines are known by their fruit: If you examine the Pearl's children, there is nothing but good fruit. Examine your own children when they are married and if they follow Jesus Christ wholeheartedly, are happy, and extremely productive members of society (like Pearl's children are) then you will have ground to talk about this subject and to criticize Mike Pearl.
A: Yes good fruit is from good doctrine, and I do not see what the Pearl’s write as bearing as much good fruit as some do. We are told not to just watch the person’s life, but to match what the teacher says with God’s word. Mr. Pearl’s teachings, at least some of them, read by me on his own web site in Debi's book and their magazines do not do this.
2) Jesus said not to judge according to the appearance. One thing I have learned recently is that you cannot come to a conclusion about a person unless you know them (and even then, you still can't really judge his heart). I bet many of you read that article and judged Mike Pearl without reading and understanding his writings completely. When you come to maturity you will realize this error of judging.
A: Sorry any man who writes contrary to God is NOT ok. God is against child molesting, and adultery, and Jesus says that the 1 reason a person can leave their spouse is for adultery. Mr. Pearl’s opinion goes against this; therefore it is on the wrong side of the issue.
3) If Michael Pearl does have problems, so what? You probably have more problems. Before you criticize others, be sure to be willing to accept the same kind of criticism towards your own life.
A: I do every day. Aside from that, I am not promoting myself as a Bible teacher, scholar, counselor or anything else. Nor do I sell my opinions as Bible based fact. I make no money off my Bible study, I do not sell people my ideas, they are free to be studied and learned from or corrected.
4) I could easily rip apart any person by taking sections of their writings, then taking them out of context, presenting it with a biased slant, and villianizing them.
A: And your point? As a teacher he is under more scrutiny than the average person. One can not teach and not expect folks to hold them up against the Bible to see if they measure up. He doesn’t.
5) If you don't agree with Michael Pearl, then disagree and move on. You show people the better way by your LIFE. Anyone can talk, but few people show by actions that their children grow up to be true disciples of Jesus.
A: After reading about how he bragged on his daughter doing a dance for her husband in PUBLIC, I do not see her as a disciple of Jesus. A dancer that did that cost John the baptizer his life, and did not help Christ’s message along. I do show people by my life, and this web site of ours is a huge part of that. Folks that wish to discuss the Pearl’s have many places to do so, here is not one of them.
6) As Christians we should focus our time and energy AGAINST the enemy. Michael Pearl (or any other Christian) is not the enemy. Let's help and encourage one another instead of tearing people apart (members of our own body- the body of Christ).
A: Again, a Christian will NOT advocate things against God, and Mr. Pearl does.
7) When people use fire the wrong way, people get hurt. People have applied Pearl's writings the wrong way and have hurt their children. We have applied his principles to our children and they work for the good of our children. So fire is not bad and neither are Pearl's teachings. The proof is that his children turned out godly and are excellent people.
A: Again, doing a dance for ones husband in public is shameful and not godly. Child molesting is also not godly. He, by pushing women not to stand against these things, is an advocate of them. (Yes to me sending love notes to the husband who molested your child while he is in prison, and then welcoming him home, is advocacy) Christ said you are either for me or against me, there is no middle ground. You can not advocate such activities and still claim Christ.
To the questioner:
I do not care to criticize you. I do however care that what you say is not upholding God’s word. THAT is my issue with the Pearl’s. Until they resolve that, PH will not give them aid or comfort.
PH is a board built by my Beloved and I for Christian women.
One on the last PH (the one that crashed) Posted a list of statements. I have answered those, removing personal data so this person is not identified.
These are just the tip of the ice berg of my issues with Michael and Debi Pearl and their teachings.
Eventually there will be a study in the BW room of their teachings, but we have a study going on now and wish to finish it first.
So on to the Q& A
1) Good and bad doctrines are known by their fruit: If you examine the Pearl's children, there is nothing but good fruit. Examine your own children when they are married and if they follow Jesus Christ wholeheartedly, are happy, and extremely productive members of society (like Pearl's children are) then you will have ground to talk about this subject and to criticize Mike Pearl.
A: Yes good fruit is from good doctrine, and I do not see what the Pearl’s write as bearing as much good fruit as some do. We are told not to just watch the person’s life, but to match what the teacher says with God’s word. Mr. Pearl’s teachings, at least some of them, read by me on his own web site in Debi's book and their magazines do not do this.
2) Jesus said not to judge according to the appearance. One thing I have learned recently is that you cannot come to a conclusion about a person unless you know them (and even then, you still can't really judge his heart). I bet many of you read that article and judged Mike Pearl without reading and understanding his writings completely. When you come to maturity you will realize this error of judging.
A: Sorry any man who writes contrary to God is NOT ok. God is against child molesting, and adultery, and Jesus says that the 1 reason a person can leave their spouse is for adultery. Mr. Pearl’s opinion goes against this; therefore it is on the wrong side of the issue.
3) If Michael Pearl does have problems, so what? You probably have more problems. Before you criticize others, be sure to be willing to accept the same kind of criticism towards your own life.
A: I do every day. Aside from that, I am not promoting myself as a Bible teacher, scholar, counselor or anything else. Nor do I sell my opinions as Bible based fact. I make no money off my Bible study, I do not sell people my ideas, they are free to be studied and learned from or corrected.
4) I could easily rip apart any person by taking sections of their writings, then taking them out of context, presenting it with a biased slant, and villianizing them.
A: And your point? As a teacher he is under more scrutiny than the average person. One can not teach and not expect folks to hold them up against the Bible to see if they measure up. He doesn’t.
5) If you don't agree with Michael Pearl, then disagree and move on. You show people the better way by your LIFE. Anyone can talk, but few people show by actions that their children grow up to be true disciples of Jesus.
A: After reading about how he bragged on his daughter doing a dance for her husband in PUBLIC, I do not see her as a disciple of Jesus. A dancer that did that cost John the baptizer his life, and did not help Christ’s message along. I do show people by my life, and this web site of ours is a huge part of that. Folks that wish to discuss the Pearl’s have many places to do so, here is not one of them.
6) As Christians we should focus our time and energy AGAINST the enemy. Michael Pearl (or any other Christian) is not the enemy. Let's help and encourage one another instead of tearing people apart (members of our own body- the body of Christ).
A: Again, a Christian will NOT advocate things against God, and Mr. Pearl does.
7) When people use fire the wrong way, people get hurt. People have applied Pearl's writings the wrong way and have hurt their children. We have applied his principles to our children and they work for the good of our children. So fire is not bad and neither are Pearl's teachings. The proof is that his children turned out godly and are excellent people.
A: Again, doing a dance for ones husband in public is shameful and not godly. Child molesting is also not godly. He, by pushing women not to stand against these things, is an advocate of them. (Yes to me sending love notes to the husband who molested your child while he is in prison, and then welcoming him home, is advocacy) Christ said you are either for me or against me, there is no middle ground. You can not advocate such activities and still claim Christ.
To the questioner:
I do not care to criticize you. I do however care that what you say is not upholding God’s word. THAT is my issue with the Pearl’s. Until they resolve that, PH will not give them aid or comfort.
PH is a board built by my Beloved and I for Christian women.